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Hi,
This is my first time posting, but I've been following the forum for a while. I've been reading the posts on Wilson speakers. Since there're quite a few members here who have a lot of experience with Wilson, I am hoping that some of you can help me reach a decision.
I currently own a pair of Sophia 2, recently purchased. Due to the release of Watt/Puppy 8, I have an opportunity to purchase a Watt/Puppy 7 demo for $22000 CAD. It is in mint condition.
First of all, is this a good deal, given your experience?
Secondly, is there a big difference in sound capability between Sophia 2 and Watt/Puppy 7?
Even though this deal wouldn't exist without the release of the Watt Puppy 8, I feel conflicted knowing that I don't have the latest product. That said, is there a big difference between the 7 and 8?
Ultimately, should I go for it?
Thanks!
*EDIT* I forgot to mention the associated equipment. The Sophia 2 are being driven by the Genesis I60 integrated amp and Musical Fidelity A5 CD player. I am using Transparent Audio cables. The room size is about 14x22 ft. Not sure if this information helps. Thanks again!
This is my first time posting, but I've been following the forum for a while. I've been reading the posts on Wilson speakers. Since there're quite a few members here who have a lot of experience with Wilson, I am hoping that some of you can help me reach a decision.
I currently own a pair of Sophia 2, recently purchased. Due to the release of Watt/Puppy 8, I have an opportunity to purchase a Watt/Puppy 7 demo for $22000 CAD. It is in mint condition.
First of all, is this a good deal, given your experience?
Secondly, is there a big difference in sound capability between Sophia 2 and Watt/Puppy 7?
Even though this deal wouldn't exist without the release of the Watt Puppy 8, I feel conflicted knowing that I don't have the latest product. That said, is there a big difference between the 7 and 8?
Ultimately, should I go for it?
Thanks!
*EDIT* I forgot to mention the associated equipment. The Sophia 2 are being driven by the Genesis I60 integrated amp and Musical Fidelity A5 CD player. I am using Transparent Audio cables. The room size is about 14x22 ft. Not sure if this information helps. Thanks again!
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The Sophia 2 for its size and price is an amazing speaker. Having said that if you have been smitten by Wilson speakers and have the room size to accommodate the WP 7 I would opt for the latter only because of a larger and more realistic soundstage. The advent of the WP 8 was in part due to constraints placed by the European Union on the import of these speakers containing lead alloy. The body of the WP 8 contains newer materials BUT so also new drivers and crossovers making the WP 8 technologically more improved than its predecessor.
WP7 resale prices are bottoming out and once the 8's are readily available the 7's should be able to be bought for $8-10K. Presently they are selling for $10-14K.
For the money the new Sophia 2 is very special as it contains some X-2 technology.
My mantra in this hobby has always been when asked your question is 'it's all about your ears and your wallet'. Be certain your listening room will be suitable however for the WP7
WP7 resale prices are bottoming out and once the 8's are readily available the 7's should be able to be bought for $8-10K. Presently they are selling for $10-14K.
For the money the new Sophia 2 is very special as it contains some X-2 technology.
My mantra in this hobby has always been when asked your question is 'it's all about your ears and your wallet'. Be certain your listening room will be suitable however for the WP7
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Originally Posted by oneobgyn The Sophia 2 for its size and price is an amazing speaker. Having said that if you have been smitten by Wilson speakers and have the room size to accommodate the WP 7 I would opt for the latter only because of a larger and more realistic soundstage. The advent of the WP 8 was in part due to constraints placed by the European Union on the import of these speakers containing lead alloy. The body of the WP 8 contains newer materials BUT so also new drivers and crossovers making the WP 8 technologically more improved than its predecessor. WP7 resale prices are bottoming out and once the 8's are readily available the 7's should be able to be bought for $8-10K. Presently they are selling for $10-14K. For the money the new Sophia 2 is very special as it contains some X-2 technology. My mantra in this hobby has always been when asked your question is 'it's all about your ears and your wallet'. Be certain your listening room will be suitable however for the WP7 |
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Hi OB & Keith,
Thanks for the replies. Regarding electronics, I don't plan to do any more upgrade for now. So, I'll be sticking with the Musical Fidelity and Genesis. As I had mentioned in the last message, my room is 14x22 ft. I've also heard that the W/P7 is sensitive to equipment synergy. Therefore, given these factors, do you think that I should stick with the Sophia II?
Also, OB, you mentioned that the W/P7 can be had for ~$10K-$14K. Is that used, demo, or new?
Thanks again.
Thanks for the replies. Regarding electronics, I don't plan to do any more upgrade for now. So, I'll be sticking with the Musical Fidelity and Genesis. As I had mentioned in the last message, my room is 14x22 ft. I've also heard that the W/P7 is sensitive to equipment synergy. Therefore, given these factors, do you think that I should stick with the Sophia II?
Also, OB, you mentioned that the W/P7 can be had for ~$10K-$14K. Is that used, demo, or new?
Thanks again.
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used, on audiogon, for example.
If I had the choice, and I have only heard the Sophia first gen, and the WP7, I can't imagine choosing the Sophia. Fwiw, I regularly blew the Sophia resistor fuse out when using it for a home theatre center channel. I finally traded it in for a WP7.
If I had the choice, and I have only heard the Sophia first gen, and the WP7, I can't imagine choosing the Sophia. Fwiw, I regularly blew the Sophia resistor fuse out when using it for a home theatre center channel. I finally traded it in for a WP7.
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Originally Posted by tzucc used, on audiogon, for example. If I had the choice, and I have only heard the Sophia first gen, and the WP7, I can't imagine choosing the Sophia. Fwiw, I regularly blew the Sophia resistor fuse out when using it for a home theatre center channel. I finally traded it in for a WP7. |
the 8 at the show seemed to bring the best of both worlds, but now is 28-29k
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I had the same choice and chose the WP7. To me there was no comparison in terms of impact and resolution. The WP7 demos seem to be going for US$12-16K at the moment, and the used ones recently on A-gon have been about the same- the advantage of the demos being delivery/set-up and warranty are included.
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There seems to be a couple of conflicting views. First and foremost is the issue of cost. My dealer is selling me a Wilson factory demo, which comes from the factory in full frisk and with a 5-yr warranty, for $22,000 CAD. However, many of you are saying that it's about $10-14K USD for a demo.
The second issue lies with the speakers. The concensus seems to be that WP7 has better resolution and soundstaging. On the other hand, there were concerns about the level of my equipment and room size. I definitely don't want to spend more on electronics. So, given these considerations, could someone please clarify for me?
Your advice and suggestion are much appreciated. Thanks!
The second issue lies with the speakers. The concensus seems to be that WP7 has better resolution and soundstaging. On the other hand, there were concerns about the level of my equipment and room size. I definitely don't want to spend more on electronics. So, given these considerations, could someone please clarify for me?
Your advice and suggestion are much appreciated. Thanks!
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You will be crazy to buy a pair for $22K even if they come from Wilson. You are getting screwed at that price
Tzucc.you are always blowing drivers because of the SPL at which you play. Further as KeithR states you just haven't heard the Sophia 2 which is spectacular. I know Keith's system as well as his critical ear. You can believe what he says about the Sophia 2
Having said that I still would prefer a used WP7 at $10-12K and they are available and will go lower when the 8's are readily available.
I also agree with Keith about the posters gear which was not mentioned early this AM when I read the question. It was added later as an edit
Tzucc.you are always blowing drivers because of the SPL at which you play. Further as KeithR states you just haven't heard the Sophia 2 which is spectacular. I know Keith's system as well as his critical ear. You can believe what he says about the Sophia 2
Having said that I still would prefer a used WP7 at $10-12K and they are available and will go lower when the 8's are readily available.
I also agree with Keith about the posters gear which was not mentioned early this AM when I read the question. It was added later as an edit
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Is that true about blowing drivers. How loud does tzucc play them at. :eek:
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remember this was a sophia being used a center channel. it was getting abused aplenty. as a music speaker it might play quite fine. And yes, I tend to crank it loud. my room absorbs mucho sound, and so I tend to keep the Krells pumping more current than typical.
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Originally Posted by oneobgyn Tzucc.you are always blowing drivers because of the SPL at which you play. Further as KeithR states you just haven't heard the Sophia 2 which is spectacular. I know Keith's system as well as his critical ear. You can believe what he says about the Sophia 2 |
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I think whatever room can accomodate the Sophia could also accomodate the WP7. The WP7 is more revealing of the electronic components, so I would suggest if possible auditioning the WP7 with your gear, especially as you don't wish to spend more on electronics.
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the WP's may make you want to upgrade your gear!
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Hi all,
Thanks for all the great replies. Really appreciate the ready advice.
I'm new to hi-fi, which is why I'm capping my spending. I started by looking at the Gallo Ref 3.1, then the Martin Logan Summt, and finally the Wilson Sophia II. I bought the Musical Fidelity and the Genesis with the Wilson.
Right now, I'm not sure whether I want to do more upgrades, until I'm more comfortable with my gear. I can't even put words to all the acoustic things that you folks hear and discuss. I just know that the Sophia sounds great and seems more 'real' than the Martin Logan.
Based on all the replies, I think I'll stick with the Sophia II for now. Once I have a better appreciation for it, I'll skip the WP and take the MAXX. Heck, I don't even have a turntable yet. Perhaps I should go in that direction. Any good recommendation for ~$5,000?
Anyway, I didn't have a good feeling about the price of the WP7 as well, which is why I kept coming back to that issue. That said, I wonder how much I should've paid for the Sophia II. Can anyone weigh in on how much a new pair should cost? Not MRSP of course.
Again, thanks for all the advice. What a great community, and a shame that I don't live nearby enough to attend these BAAS meetings. :P
Thanks for all the great replies. Really appreciate the ready advice.
I'm new to hi-fi, which is why I'm capping my spending. I started by looking at the Gallo Ref 3.1, then the Martin Logan Summt, and finally the Wilson Sophia II. I bought the Musical Fidelity and the Genesis with the Wilson.
Right now, I'm not sure whether I want to do more upgrades, until I'm more comfortable with my gear. I can't even put words to all the acoustic things that you folks hear and discuss. I just know that the Sophia sounds great and seems more 'real' than the Martin Logan.
Based on all the replies, I think I'll stick with the Sophia II for now. Once I have a better appreciation for it, I'll skip the WP and take the MAXX. Heck, I don't even have a turntable yet. Perhaps I should go in that direction. Any good recommendation for ~$5,000?
Anyway, I didn't have a good feeling about the price of the WP7 as well, which is why I kept coming back to that issue. That said, I wonder how much I should've paid for the Sophia II. Can anyone weigh in on how much a new pair should cost? Not MRSP of course.
Again, thanks for all the advice. What a great community, and a shame that I don't live nearby enough to attend these BAAS meetings. :P
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Originally Posted by oneobgyn My best advice is not to ask your dealer who was going to charge you $22K for a demo pair of WP 7's. Find yourself a more honest dealer |
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ochlin, you may already suspect this, but you are well on your way down the infamous slippery slope :) AV eqpt budget expands with much pressure, until it burns out every available equity and debt dollar :)
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Originally Posted by tzucc ochlin, you may already suspect this, but you are well on your way down the infamous slippery slope :) AV eqpt budget expands with much pressure, until it burns out every available equity and debt dollar :) |
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Even $22,000 Canadian sounds very high. That is over $19,000 US. Wasn't the WP 7's retail price close to that? $14,000 for a dealer demo might be fair, since that seems to be the going rate on Audiogon. Congrats on the Sohpia II. I still haven't heard it, but I love the Sophia I. I will hopefully be picking up a used pair of Sophia I's to go into my new condo next year.
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